The Pony wars commission for Mark is coming along nicely and I have just opened the last box of 100 mounted Plains Indians as I finish off the February batch of 60. Mark has collected 240 mtd and 100 foot warriors plus the first troop of 20 7th Cavalry. I have another troop of 20 cavalry painted plus 60 more Indians. There remains around 100 more mounted Indians, 80 US cavalry and 67 civilians/cowboys that I have here and the specially commissioned dismounted cavalry that are being sculpted and cast for the project.
I mentioned early on in the project that the Native American Indians rode their ponies with just a single rein running along one side of the neck as correctly featured on the Qualiticast horses, often braided rope. No nose or cheek pieces or headbands ( and of course no saddles or stirrups!).
As I was painting the second troop of US cavalry a couple of weeks back I became aware that the horses were cast minus nosebands and that I had painted the first troops as such. Given the high level of detail on the castings I could not imagine this was an error but determined to do a bit more research on the subject. Mark has supplied numerous Osprey books on the subject and in all of the illustrations the cavalry horses are depicted with nosebands whilst in contemporary illustrations it's difficult to tell but some clearly do not. In reply to my previous 'Custer' post Rob posted a link to a painting of the man riding into battle in his blue cavalry shirt with piping and a red neck scarf as a suggestion for the dismounted figure. What struck me was the fact that the horse was depicted minus noseband! As the work looks well researched I'm taking this as further evidence that this is correct and as sculpted on the metals horses. I will need to do more research around this but if anybody out there knows about these things do please let me know.
I do love a bit of research, it takes up valuable painting time but in the end its all worth it.
ReplyDeleteThe issue of the nose band had been bothering me ever since Mark took delivery of the first batch of US cavalry and I had to get to the bottom of it Ray!
DeleteGood catch.
ReplyDeleteThanks Norm, I'd say I have now seen plenty of evidence that the qualiticast horses are indeed correct!
DeleteCertainly seems to be generally the case, see these links:
ReplyDeletehttps://ciscosgallery.com/products/us-cavalry-bridle-ag1767
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Thanks Rob, that's just what I needed to see. I think in all of the horses I have painted it's the first time I have seen such a bridle. Now it has me wondering when these were introduced because it was pre 1860 then almost all of the Civil War model horses I have seen would be incorrect. I will dig a little deeper when I have time but many thanks for this info and links.
DeleteWhen searching that stuff out I did come across a picture of Robert E Lee ona horse with such a bridle not sure exactly when the photo was taken though.
DeleteHi Rob, you have really got me thinking now! Below is an 1864 photo of a US cavalry man and his horse is indeed minus nose strap! I also found an early recruiting poster for the Civil War US cavalry again depicted minus nosestrap. Of course loads of modern re enactment images come up but all modern bridles with nose traps. I'll keep digging into this if only to satisfy my own curiosity :) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/The_photographic_history_of_the_Civil_War_-_in_ten_volumes_%281911%29_%2814782552983%29.jpg
DeleteFew suggestions/pictures.. you may have seen them already.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_%28horse%29#/media/File:Comanche_the_horse.jpg https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5ff39252e8eaba28dfd5b882fceb5ca9-lq https://truewestmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1-8.jpg ...fascinating stuff.. hope you get an answer! :o)
ReplyDeletePerfect Steve, and many thanks for your research. Goes to show how well designed the old (OOP) Qualiticast figures were.
DeleteCheers,
Lee.